radsis:

Now you’re just going into dismissal tactics. 

You can keep going on about oppression but you’re using an extremely loose definition that basically says any inconvenience put in place by society is oppression. Which is why the idea that everyone puts disadvantages on everyone else in society makes no sense to you. And your definition of what a patriarchy is is completely off and doesn’t actually exist in our world. 

So what if patriarchy hurts men from time to time? He who digs a pit for others, may fall in himself. I’m not going to feel sorry for you.

That doesn’t make sense unless every man actively decided to do something to oppress women. Prove that every single man actively chooses to do so, and you’re correct. And prove that every man would approve of the ideals of a patriarchy. 

The idea that the men alive today are all in agreement and therefore should be punished by patriarchy just…doesn’t have any basis in any sort of logic.

“Feminism is not about men, period.”

You’re in complete disagreement with feminist ideology that has been said forever at this point that feminism is for the benefit of both men and women. But I understand you’re a self-titled radfem, so, no shock. 

Imagine there’s a planet with an alien population. Half of the alien population is green, the other one is orange. Let’s say that the orange aliens have some disadvantage by nature, like, they’re moving more slowly (i.e. female reproduction). Since the green aliens are faster, they’ve built a civilization according to their own needs. Orange aliens were kinda excluded from the beginning, so the green alien system is not only beneficial to green aliens only, it’s also oppressive towards the orange ones, because green aliens discovered that orange aliens could be easily exploited, directly and indirectly. Basically, they’ve been made into second-class citizens who serve green aliens.
Now this green alien system has existed for millennia. Both orange and green aliens are used to it. The fact that the green alien system was built by green aliens is even written in every history book. The green alien view of the world is the default one, it’s the definition of normalcy itself, so it’s difficult for both green and orange aliens to see it for what it is, especially for green aliens, because they’re inevitably biased. That’s called green alien privilege. It doesn’t mean that every single green alien is evil. And since all aliens naturally tend to go for what is beneficial to them, consciously or unconsciously, green aliens support the system they live in. They’re already granted a lot of power by being born into this green alien system. They don’t recognize the multiple ways in which they support it, ranging from subtleties to brutal acts of violence.

Note that the “natural disadvantage” is the female reproductive role. Not having the responsibility of childbearing and child-rearing has historically given men more leisure time and opportunities to focus on their own needs and the rest of partiarchic history is a cumulative effect. I mean, we’re talking about a very, very long time span.

Other than that, I don’t have to prove to you that patriarchy exists. If you want to find out if it does, you can do that on yourself. We live in a world where humanity and God refer to men. Proving this to men is kinda pointless, anyways. Educating women on patriarchy is much more effective. If half of the population was as pissed about the patriarchy as me right now, it would already be awesome and having the potential of starting a revolution.

And I don’t care about liberal feminist ideology. It only scratches the surface of women’s oppression. The concept of gender equality is not well-thought out. It’s aiming at becoming equal to what is defined by patriarchy. I call it women’s liberation from oppression.

Exactly. Thank you.